boys even!

Hi Gandalf1957,
There were certainly plenty of younger boys who were slapped/spanked by female teachers in the infants section of primary schools. This was the youngest section of primary schools, the 5 to almost 8 years old. Back in the 50s/70s there were very few male teachers in the infant section. The usual punishment for both boys and girls of that age were slaps to the backs of legs. Boys back then tended to wear short trousers. This sort of punishment was very much akin to what parents did back then. I knew of this in my infants section. The junior section, 7 to 11 tended to have a mixture of both male and female teachers. In my junior section I only remember girls being slapped by female teachers and us boys being punished by male teachers. None of the punishments used in my primary schools were particularly terrible. They stung and sometimes left hand prints on the back of thighs. Towards the top end of the junior section some male teachers slippered or used a ruler across boys’ bottoms. All this was very much like many parents did to the same youngsters at home. At least in schools bottom punishments were  were across the covered bottom. However many parents spanked bare bottoms. All this was seen as right and proper back then. In the final year of junior schools, the year before the move to the ‘big school’ some boys were caned,  just a few moderate strokes on the seat of trousers or on the hands. The move to senior meant firmer whacks. I have to say that as I moved to a boys only senior school I knew nothing of how girls were punished in their senior schools.
I only attended state  schools so can offer no information on private schools, boarding or otherwise.

I’m aware what happened in primary schools and i did attend a private sector boy’s day school from 11 through to 17 fromthe late 1960s through to the mid 1970s.  In my local authority primary school at least one female teacher and the headmistress were not averse to applying the slipper to boy’s trousered bottoms.  I’m really enquiring what information there is on boys caned at senior level 11+ education by female teachers.  I understand a fairly substantial amount when females fitted in covering male teachers that had volunteered to fight in WW2.  I feel pretty certain that more boys were corporally punished by women teachers than girls by men and, I was just wondering if that was substantiated by factual data.

Hi Gandalf (never thought I’d be posting that, fool of a Took that I am)

I think the caning of senior school boys by female teachers in the time 1960s onwards was not all that common. At that time a lot of schools were single sex and tended to have overwhelmingly same sex teachers, so a female teacher could always send a boy to be punished by the headmaster or another male teacher. (I’m not sure this applied in Scotland where the tawse was used on the hand and was generally left to class teachers to administer).

HOWEVER one of my friends who was a senior teacher at a school in Liverpool was once left to cane a disruptive boy when the Headmaster was absent and she was the most senior teacher around, but this was probably on the hand. Another ex-teacher friend would often take boys into the stock room and whack their bottoms with a slipper which sounds a bit more dodgy to me but she taught in Barnsley (Kes territory) so maybe not unusual.

Gandalf1957 and neilmc.32,

Thank you both for your responses.

I believe that other than the infants school dept. of primary schools that SCP of the opposite sex was extremely rare particularly in the case of bottom punishments. For girls, hand caning was without doubt the most usual method of caning girls and plenty of boys too.. However we have seen from I, Researcher’s posts that some girls were slippered. There are some mentions of slippering across hands. That is something I had never heard of.
I have certainly heard of girls being slippered across their bottoms at home. I remember one girl that I knew at youth club being very worried about being late home in the evenings. The other girls at the club told me not to make her late home. Although they didn’t actually say why she had to be home on time but there was some suggestion what might happen if she was late home twice in a week. This girl was about 14/15 when I knew her. I remember her dad meeting her at their front when I walked her home one evening. She was on time but he still seemed a bit cross. Obviously very protective father! I was about 15 at the time and was still well acquainted with the school cane. Back then there was always great concern about girls ‘getting into trouble. Something that didn’t apply to us lads!
In more recent years I have certainly met a few ladies who have openly admitted that they were spanked when growing up. How times have changes but I’m talking of about 60 years ago!

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It is good to see a revival of contributions here in this thread.  I am though a little concerned that this contribution of mine has absolutely nothing to do with the title of this thread, even though, in long-standing Forum tradition, it follows the flow of contributions in the thread.  Should I have opened a new thread?  Should I have posted in one of the existing threads on the topic involved?  I really don’t know.  I can only apologise to I, Researcher and say that after some heart-searching I’ve decided to post here.

Hello Gandalf1957,

In a series of posts in the thread above you express interest in the researches of I, Researcher with regard to information on schoolboys, specifically senior schoolboys, spanked or caned by female teachers.  You mention the war and the immediate post war period, when many male teachers were absent in the forces.  Now I have to say that I, Researcher‘s data is based on Facebook and I think it is unlikely that many people of either sex who were senior school pupils in the wartime or immediate post war period will have been posting of their school experiences on Facebook.  I’m just short of 81 and my generation is not overly represented on Facebook.  To have been senior school pupils in the relevant period they’d have to be at least 6 years older than me.  I started infant (primary) school in 1947, when the wartime job gender adjustments were sorting themselves out.

That said, I think on balance that I wouldn’t dispute your contention that, in England at least, more boys were corporally punished by female teachers than girls by male teachers.  If we include primary students and specify within living memory then I have no doubt that you would be correct.  My only personal direct encounters with school corporal punishment were a smacked thigh from a female teacher and a slippered bottom from a male teacher, both in front of the class in primary school, and I have absolutely no doubt which made the greatest impression.  I can’t remember with absolute certainty how many whacks of the slipper I got, or how much it hurt.  The smacked leg I recall as though it was yesterday, well almost!

Like you I have a keen interest in the topic of schoolboys whacked by female teachers.  It is a topic which has preoccupied a number of our members, many of them now past members, but a few still current.  In no particular order a few threads with relevant material:

boys corporally punished by women teachers
How did lady teachers learn?
punishment witnessed by females
Headmistresses
Caned by teacher of the opposite sex
Boys having their trousers taken down by a female teacher to be spanked
Male students – canings from a female teacher
Are females sadistic
Female teachers punishing girls and boys
Wish you’d been punished by a teacher of the opposite sex?

As this is an area of interest of mine I participate in some of the threads linked above.  In the course of that participation I may give links which are duplicated here.  Sorry, but these things happen, and sorting them out would be far too time consuming.  It is possible that some of the links in the above threads are old style Network54 links which no longer work.  If anyone encounters such a link that they would like to follow up post details of the problem here and I will endeavour to translate the link concerned to Tapatalk format.  The HTML and CSS formatting permitted by Network54 no longer works due to Tapatalk’s insistence on elderly and obsolete BBCode for formatting.  Usually any posts rendered illegible by this will at least become readable if the page is refreshed.

My own secondary school had Prefects who as part of their disciplinary duties were empowered to cane erring pupils in some instances.  My school was all male, nary a female on the premises except for the headmaster’s secretary, matron, the dining hall staff and the lady who ran the tuck shop.  However my interest in cross gender canings has extended to whether female prefects in English mixed schools ever caned boys, and indeed whether male prefects ever caned girls.  I’m as certain as I can be that neither was a reality, although there have been occasional totally unbelievable or totally ineligible claims here.  However I recently encountered a new (to me) AI engine with decidedly different views on the matter and naturally I got it to write me some accounts.  They may appear here in due course for the benefit of those who find such trivia interesting amusing.

Great contribution AL .  Also liked your pep talk on the computer thread.

There  is, I recollect,   actually some references in I Researcher’s  excellent contributions to lady teachers caning senior boys.  I could not immediately find it but seem to recollect that a certain lady Head was deemed a “looker” and did not one wag comment on his Facebook page that he would be happy to pay her today for her services

Good to see Another_Lurker’s above contribution although I have to say that his paragraph mentioning computer terms etc. have totally foxed me! Before moving back to the main topic may I congratulate all here for their total disregard for ‘woke’ whatever it is!

Anyway back to the current topic of SCP and its application by female teachers to boys. Of course it must have happened on occasion but it must have been a rarity except in the infants section of primary schools, 5 to 7 year olds. These young youngsters were little more than just out of the pre school age. Up to 5 most of their time, for most, would have bee spent in their mother’s care. So any physical discipline, would have been just a few slaps from mum. Mothers then were more responsible their wellbeing and behaviour with dads out earning a living for the family. Mothers regularly saw the offspring undressed so a slap to the bare bottom or elsewhere would have seemed totally normal then.
The bottom(!) end of the primary schools of the time were almost entirely staffed by ladies. To some extent boys and girls were seem as much alike. Some still shared bedrooms and bath nights together. Short trousers for the boys and skirts for the girls offered bare legs for a sharp slap. Back then few saw any of this as being very wrong. By the time these youngsters were 8 or 9 the difference in schools became clearer. I remember in my second year of junior school having a male teacher. I can rarely remember him using even mild CP  and then only on boys. We have to remember that many of the same youngsters were used to a spanking at home if they misbehaved. As we progressed through junior school all this continued with a mixture of male and female teacher. Classroom discipline increased but mainly on boys with girls being sent to a female teacher and presumably boys to a male teacher.
I speak of the 1950s, my junior school years when spanking was seen as the usual way to punish badly behaved youngsters in school and many were spanked at home too. At home these spanking were over mum or dad’s knee and often across bare bottoms. Unlike the present time none of this was seen and wrong or in any way suspicious. I remember occasionally going over my mum’s knee and at about age 10 getting the wooden blackboard T square across of the seat of my trousers from my male class teacher. Neither were life threatening or even terribly scary but they hurt and sent a message to behave better.
Back to female teachers spanking older boys, I don’t remember this happening. As I only went to state day schools I knew nothing of public and private schools, boarding or otherwise. Maybe matrons or ‘house parents’ in junior boarding schools did sometimes spank both boys or girls, something I know nothing of.

A totally true memory, honestly! I did three years in the sixth form and then managed not to get the college place that I wanted. Back then, 1966/7, ‘gap years’ of exquisite adventures and travel were less common. I did mine working in a village pub about 10 miles from my home. My only transport was my 10 speed time trial bike. So I opted to live in part of the time. It provided me with much experience of adult life and help build up some funds for my time at college.
Getting away from my own teenage history, The pub had a good lounge bar, this was run most evenings by a lovely lady. She was very unlike the image that is often seen of barmaids;  a busty peroxide blonde young lady (no offence meant!). She was probably early 40s and quite refined. She arrived one evening just on time explaining that her neighbour had dropped in just as she leaving the house. The neighbour was upset as her husband, who was about to leave for his nightshift, had told her that she was to give their two sons  the strap that evening. Apparently the neighbour was not happy about having to do this. I didn’t know the neighbour or her sons and if she did actually use the strap.
Being in my late teens myself I well remembered the school cane not that many years before. The pub manager heard her conversation, he showed no approval or disapproval but said if the boys’ father wanted them to be punished he should do it himself.
I never knew the outcome of any of this but the memory has remained with me for almost 60 years.

Hello Sir John 2,

Thank you for your comments on my recent posts.  In view of the lengthy period of paucity of posts I had contemplated retirement  after almost 17 years of annoying folks here.  But I think a revival may be under way – hopefully! 

Your memory serves you correctly.  In the course of his researches on the Facebook mentions of the  school corporal punishment of (mainly) secondary schoolgirls I, Researcher has also commented on many instances where female teachers have caned, slippered, strapped and slapped secondary schoolboys on the bottom.  So many in fact that I would have thought that alone would cause six of the best to doubt his current contention that outwith the infants section of primary schools, 5 to 7 year olds, the application of SCP to schoolboys by female teachers must have been a rarity.

The incident you mention, where a gentleman averred that at his age he would pay good money to be beaten on the bottom by a woman in her forties, is to be found in  this contribution, where together with various other mentions of lady teachers flagellating the bottoms of naughty secondary schoolboys, the activities of Mrs Armisted  at the Seedfield Secondary School in Bury are recalled.

The schoolboy whacking teacher that you recall being described as a bit of a ‘looker’ may not have been a headmistress but was possibly PE teacher  Ms Short at the George Tomlinson secondary school in Bolton.  Again together with various other lady teachers who beat boys on the bottom she is documented in the contribution to be found here.

And finally a very cursory and brief search gave me this contribution where as well as the activities of the very well known Ms Janet Dines, who of course caned secondary schoolboys at a post early in her career, again various other female teachers who wielded punitive implements on male bottoms are discussed.  They include Ms Dilys Martin at the Highfield secondary modern school in Liverpool, on whose Facebook page over 30 males commented on her proclivity for caning male bottoms.  Ms Martin was described as a Christine Keeler look alike and it was said of her that “she loved it I think she got sexually aroused caning the lads“.  Christine Keeler. once an Honorary Life Member of this estimable Forum, was of course quite an, ahem, ‘looker’ and it may therefore be Ms Dilys Martin that you recall in that context rather than Ms Short.

Thank you AL for your usual clarification and excellent  links.. I am sure the information your post was of great interest to many.

As principal contributor and standard bearer, please shelve all thoughts of retirement from this esteemed forum.

You are correct in your assumption;  It was Ms Martin that I remembered